thank for the help
i have now found the info i needed
in ms access press the obect browser button
then in all libraries change it to mappoint
and all the comands are there
i have now got my mappoint working in database
on a form like lookup pickup customer
press the add to map button this then finds customer and then add it as pushpin pluse route start
then the same for my delivery address
this then calc the route then passes back to the database the info i need
like map of route + directions + time to do job + route cost + miles total
im very pleased with it
all i needed to do was find out the name diff from vb to vba
then some playing round with code
all the best
nick